Matt and Jo interview Jules Boykoff, leading expert on the politics of the Olympic Games. We talk about the winners and losers of the Olympics, how hosting the Games is likely to change Brisbane in 2032 and beyond, and the possibilities for resistance and struggle.

Jules' latest book NOlympians: Inside the Fight Against Capitalist Mega-Sports in Los Angeles, Tokyo, and Beyond is now available and highly recommended for all your anti-Olympics reading. He is on Twitter @JulesBoykoff